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FUTUREBET SCAM ALERT!!!
Posted by: Gmoney (---.bconnected.net)
Date: September 15, 2002 04:18AM

Dear fellow readers,

Just like the rats they are, Idollar/ Global Interactive has changed company name to FUTUREBET. Still being runned by the same con artist. My purpose for these post is to warn newcomers not to join them. As they don't paid up to their debts.

I will keep you posted when they change names again.

Re: FUTUREBET SCAM ALERT!!!
Posted by: Pitboss (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: September 15, 2002 05:31AM

We've been considering Futurebet as our casino/sportsbook software provider, but we don't want anything to do with Global Interactive. GI still maintains a Web site at ginteract.com under the Global Interactive name, separate from the Futurebet site.

Can anybody verify Gmoney's claim? Webmaster, what is the truth here? I know Futurebet advertises on this site, but can you please verify the accuracy or inaccuracy of these claims. Your input would be highly valued.

Re: FUTUREBET SCAM ALERT!!!
Posted by: OPA Mary (206.80.104.---)
Date: September 15, 2002 02:00PM

This is from GI's site:

For more information on licensing the FutureBet system, please contact Worldwide Support Systems via email at info@ginteract.com.

For all other inquiries, please contact Global Interactive:

Global Interactive
29 Airport Road. Suite D
Simpson Bay, St. Martin
NA


Phone: 011 599 54 55091
Fax: 011 599 54 55095
Email: info@ginteract.com
LICENSING INFORMATION
The FutureBet Gaming System can be licensed through Global Interactive, Ltd. the licensor of the product. offers turnkey software licensing and ongoing support for your online gaming operation.

Global Interactive recognizes the needs and challenges facing those within today's online gaming market. Becoming a success not only requires a top notch software system, but also comprehensive marketing campaigns and a knowledgeable support staff. Global Interactive simplifies the process by offering operators the best in licensee support, and a truly turnkey package that provides you with an affordable and complete online gaming operation.

For more information on licensing opportunities, please contact info@ginteract.@#$%&

Re: FUTUREBET SCAM ALERT!!!
Posted by: Pitboss (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: September 15, 2002 03:16PM

That nixes that idea. Forget about Futurebet. Call us crazy, but we'd like to actually get paid.

I've known the people at Global Intteractive and Futurebet for years
Posted by: Webmaster (---.56.158.222.Dial1.LasVegas1.Level3.net)
Date: September 18, 2002 12:20PM

Its amazing when you go to the trade shows.....

I'm now in Las Vegas at the Global Gaming Expo (G2E).

I ran into Casinomeister and OPA Mary. Turns out the guy who started this thread is "Rhino" or "Black Rhino" - a guy who had it in for Starnet a few months back. Now he's gunning Global Interactive and Futurebet.

I also saw Brian Hurley and Duane Mills (from Futurebet). They are exhibiting at the G2E as well.

I've known these individuals for years. They are upstanding people and I have never had a problem with them. In addition, they are run an excellent firm and are sharp businessmen that know the industry well.

I suggest you call the people at Futurebet. If you're in Vegas - stop by the Las Vegas convention center today (Sept 18) or tomorrow and meet them. Then come to your own conclusion.

You'll find the "hype" on this thread is just that.

Webmaster
StartCasino

Re: I've known the people at Global Intteractive and Futurebet for years
Posted by: Gmoney (---.bconnected.net)
Date: September 19, 2002 12:24AM

Hello WEBSUCKER, that doesn't even put his name. I'm not rhino or whoever you think I am. I'm just one of your THOUSAND ripped off UNPAID customers. Nice try covering up the name of 2 conartist. Everyone in this site will know that GI and FUTUREBET is a SCAM. The one way to live up now is start PAYING YOUR DEBTS!!!!! Than at least this forum will know why IG is a rip off company.
OH and I think to add........why do you THINK!!! this rhino or black rhino was in it for IG and FUTUREBET???? Was it cause he NEVER GOT PAID LIKE US!!!!!!!!
Well If you are getting paid and see those 2 conartist, Tell him to start paying other people that he owes HALF A MILLION to start off WITH!!!!!!

Re: I've known the people at Global Intteractive and Futurebet for years
Posted by: Pitboss (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: September 19, 2002 01:18AM

Webmaster, That's all well and good that you've never had a problem with them. Apparently they paid their advertising invoices, but you've never dealt with them in the capacity of a licensee. Moreover, you never answered the question about their affiliation with Global Interactive. Whether it's "hype" or not is open to debate, but often where there's smoke there's fire and we don't want to get burned.

Answers to questions
Posted by: Webmaster (---.158.104.246.Dial1.LasVegas1.Level3.net)
Date: September 19, 2002 11:49AM

1st: GMoney - You're a dolt. - I don't hide. Go to the ABOUT US page and you'll see my name. Furthermore, come to the G2E her in Vegas ( [www.globalgalingexpo.com] ) today and you'll meet me in person. You can also meet Duane Mills and Brian Hurley as well as Jeff Hurley. If you were really ripped off for $500K you would have been here. But you're not. Whether or not you're "rhino" or "Black Rhino" I don't care. OPA Mary and some others speculated that's who you were.

2nd: PitBoss. - Correct - I've never dealt with them in the capacity as a licensee. However, these guys have been around a long time and are in this for the long term. Duane and I have had long conversations about this industry and business ethics. My understanding is that we both see eye to eye on this issue; that honesty and integrity are what matters in this business, and you win more in the long term than by ripping people off for the short term.

As for Global Interactive, the story is simple:

GI was a licensee of Starnet (now World Gaming). Duane and Brian used to be in the company. Both recognized as early as 1999 that Starnet had problems, and also recognized that if Starnet collapsed as a company, so would they and their sublicensees.

So Global set out to have other software providers in place of Starnet. They looked at just about every provider. They had Bossmedia for 6 months, then kicked them out.

In the end, they back-integrated with iChance (now Futurebet), then they bought Futurebet. Basically, they "unplugged all the wires" from Starnet's source code and replaced it with Futurebet. Starnet is now removed from the system and the company is on a rock-solid foundation for the long-term.

Like I said before, EVERYONE at some time or another has a problem with their software provider. Some are minor, some are not. But to an investor, I recommend calling Futurebet or seeing them today in Vegas, or bext week at the @#$%& in Vancouver

Webmaster
MARC LESNICK

Re: Answers to questions
Posted by: Gmoney (---.bconnected.net)
Date: September 19, 2002 12:41PM

Marc,
Why don't you go up to the Hurley and ask them if they are ever going to pay up. Unlike other people trying to make their scam bigger. We are trying to pick up the pieces where they left us to dry. Since you will be here in Vancouver for your next conference. I will see you in vancouver and confront you with paper and invoices how much they owe us. Better tell them to have a cheque ready. Make sure they have money in that bank account when I cash in the cheque.

Re: Answers to questions
Posted by: Pitboss (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: September 19, 2002 05:47PM

Webmaster, Thank you for your explanation of the relationship between Global Interactive and Futurebet. That solidifies our decision to look elsewhere for a software provider. Global Interactive "kicking out" Bossmedia makes no sense whatsoever. Bossmedia has one of the best reputations in the industry and their software is among the very finest available. Global Interactive's reputation is mud, so I suspect the "kicking out" was done by Bossmedia and GI is trying to spin it the other way. Thanks again for the information. I respect your knowledge, but I also understand that since you accept advertising on your site, you are not an impartial third-party observer.

Re: Answers to questions
Posted by: aj (---.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com)
Date: September 19, 2002 10:00PM

I've read those this thread right now and was quite surprised.

After meeting FutureBet's Jeff H. at the conference yesterday, we were having trouble finding anything wrong with them at all. They seemed very straight forward and to the point, never dodging any of my hundreds of questions.

As I am new to this industry and am on the cusp of selecting a competively priced casino solution, Futurebet is on the top of my list. This thread, along with a few other posts around the web about Black Rhino not paying are the only negative commentary I have heard.

My questions are:

#1. What other company offers the same quality flash software and support as FutureBet for their price? I was comparing oddson.com as they seemed to be neck and neck, but their software is strictly downloable which I thought was a large negative.

#2. Should I be worried as a customer of FutureBets (ie licensee) about them not completing any of the contracts and work we may have with them? Or are they only arguements against futurebet, based on their old ties, and black rhino not paying?

Thanks for any help you can provide! Pitboss wrote:
>
> Webmaster, Thank you for your explanation of the relationship
> between Global Interactive and Futurebet. That solidifies our
> decision to look elsewhere for a software provider. Global
> Interactive "kicking out" Bossmedia makes no sense
> whatsoever. Bossmedia has one of the best reputations in the
> industry and their software is among the very finest
> available. Global Interactive's reputation is mud, so I
> suspect the "kicking out" was done by Bossmedia and GI is
> trying to spin it the other way. Thanks again for the
> information. I respect your knowledge, but I also understand
> that since you accept advertising on your site, you are not
> an impartial third-party observer.

Re: Answers to questions
Posted by: Pitboss (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: September 19, 2002 10:12PM

AJ, You have to decide for yourself what direction you want to go. I personally prefer downloadable software as opposed to flash games as I believe it creates more player loyalty. However, flash games do have some advantages. My main problem with Futurebet is that they were purchased by Global Interactive. That is reason enough for us to to drop them from consideration. Their "old ties" are not old at all if GI now owns them.

Re: Answers to questions
Posted by: aj (---.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com)
Date: September 19, 2002 10:17PM

Well, I do perfer flash as I feel it won't isolate those extra players. As being new to this industry, I don't have any reservations with Global Int. yet, as I just found out that they had ties to F.Bet from this board.

So that being said, if you wouldn't mind filling me in really quickly, nothing elaborate just a concise summary of why GI having an ownership stake in FutureBet should have any bearing on my decision?

In the meantime, I will hit google with some Global I. searches.

Re: Answers to questions
Posted by: Pitboss (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: September 19, 2002 10:27PM

Global Interactive is a team of shysters who ripped off people and now resort to peddling their wares on eBay. Is that concise enough?

Re: Answers to questions
Posted by: aj (---.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com)
Date: September 19, 2002 10:29PM

eek.

Any url's where I can read more about this?

Re: Answers to questions
Posted by: Pitboss (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: September 19, 2002 10:48PM

Read the thread about them on the next page of this forum. Also, do some research on iChance. The thread below might also be of some interest to you:

[www.winneronline.com]

Re: Answers to questions
Posted by: Webmaster (---.158.104.229.Dial1.LasVegas1.Level3.net)
Date: September 19, 2002 11:43PM

Regarding GI "kicking out" Bossmedia - guess again. Have you ever dealt with Boss Media?

I can TOTALLY understand why GI told Boss to take a hike. It had nothing to do with the quality of Bossmedia's software or the platform stability. It had to do with business culture.

I've done business with Europeans. I have found a higher level of indeciseiveness among European firms. For North American businessman, this can be extremely frustrating. That's exactly what happened with GI and Boss. GI said, "enough - now go away" 6 months after they satrted working together.

It was that simple.

As for me being impartial, hah! I have had some scummy operations advertise on my site as well as reputable ones. I bite my lip with regards to the scummy ones. With regard to the reputable ones, I will state my opinion on the individuals that run it. Mills and Hurley are OK in my book. If you call that partial, then so be it.

Webmaster

Re: Answers to questions
Posted by: Pitboss (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: September 19, 2002 11:52PM

"I bite my lip with regards to the scummy ones." That's exactly my point. You are not an impartial observer when your advertising revenues are at stake. You simply allow the "scummy" ones to keep on advertising, creating the false impression that they are legitimate simply because they advertise on your "prestigious" site.

The reputation of Bossmedia far supasses that of Global Interactive. The only surprise is that they let GI become a licensee in the first place. I hope GI is paying you extra for acting as their public relations agent.

Re: Answers to questions
Posted by: Webmaster (---.158.104.229.Dial1.LasVegas1.Level3.net)
Date: September 20, 2002 12:23AM

Pitboss,

Use your brain.......Starnet has advertised on my site in the past. When they did, I didn't bash them. You're going to BITE the hand that is feeding you?

Companies that do that don't stay in business for long.

Nor did I say anything good about them, mind you.

Starnet's not advertising here and most within this industry know what my opinion is of them. The same opinion is also shared by many others.

And, no I'm not promoting Futurebet. I'm defending the characters of Hurley and Mills, people I RESPECT.

As for Bossmedia - yes they are more well known than GI, no argument there. GI was originally a Starnet licenseee that was a casino which sold sublicensing packages. GI was and is the largest sublicensing operation. They were so good at it, they outsold Starnet.

Comparing Boss to GI is like comparing an Automobile Manufacturer to a Car Dealership....Different businesses entirely, but both are in the automotive industry.

Futurebet is a new software provider.....I say give it time and see what happens. All I know is that Hurley and Mills are good people to deal with.

Webmaster

Re: Answers to questions
Posted by: Gmoney (---.bconnected.net)
Date: September 20, 2002 12:52AM

Mr. Webmaster,
Since you respect those people that I think have ripped us off. Lets all have a nice long meeting next week in Vancouver. I'm assuming they will be there. Trying to lure more victims. If I can get your word on it that they will show up and not dodge us again. Than I know I wouldn't waste my time trying to retrive all the funds that was suppose to be paid to us for 6 MONTHS.
Well it is easy for you to "defend them" since they are paying you. If they miss a few payments, say 6 months overdue, DO you think you will still have them advertising on your site??? I think you would take them off your site within 1 month.
As for us, we were powerless since they are the ones with OUR money. If they don't pay us, what can we do?

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