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Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: Mcluhan (---.tor.uniserve.ca)
Date: July 10, 2008 07:19AM

It looks like this guy is going to be THE President. He's flipping all over the place this week, and has lost my 'unequivocal' support, since the true colours native to any politician, black, white, or red, are at last shinning thru.

I want to do a political betting exchange site, but have no time: any one interested?

Will Bush bomb Iran in the last 2 months of his presidency. I say 3% for; 30:1 against.

Oil? it will dip twice and head to $175 by Nov.. any takers?

Running mate. Biden? Richardson?

Nov 4th spread. Landslide?

So much hay to make, so little time.





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Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: Mcluhan (---.tor.uniserve.ca)
Date: July 14, 2008 04:42AM

The latest theory i like, is that the Bush side has given Is. the green light to go ahead. Currently they are drumming up the Washington lobby scene over the next two weeks to lend the backdrop to what has already been written - there has to be proper staging. It will appear there was the lobby.. the lobby came and went...there was debate...and in the final analysis, nobody was directly to blame, but the process you see... the pentagon is outwardly in denial of any responsibility, meanwhile, the games are moving forward on the ground. God Bless.

The kicker..the one i personally love to hate, is that the bombing with hamstring Obama ..its an offer no R in in his right mind can refuse to condone. So, the odds against , just went down.

Oil will be at $300 in 97 days....odds are still long. 19 to 1 ..soon falling.

PS: the green light is use of air space.



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Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: Mcluhan (---.tor.uniserve.ca)
Date: July 14, 2008 04:59AM

Assets loss is another area ripe for handicapping. I say the US will lose one carrier. Its just a wild ass guess I admit. But of course there has to be a sacrificial lamb, and this blood strategically spilled will get the entire country behind the long fight. They kiss off one carrier, and McCain is in the lead. Obama's position is effectively toasted. Tell me I'm wrong. Sadly, you cannot.

Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: Mcluhan (---.tor.uniserve.ca)
Date: July 17, 2008 04:29AM

So BushCo decides to negotiate with an Iranian diplomat. The media has a hey day rubbing McCain's face in the mud. Obama's media currency soars. lol..comical to watch. The interesting thing is, it can all turn on a dime.

Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: Mcluhan (---.tor.uniserve.ca)
Date: July 19, 2008 07:02AM

Constance came out today to say that BushCo was not negotiating with the Iranians (the bad guys), on the contrary she said, 'we jammed an ultimatum in their face, and i was merely sending my bookend to receive their reply'.

Forceful woman, she has learned the trade well. I wish she appealed to me. She is trainable.

Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: yorktown (Moderator)
Date: July 19, 2008 07:22PM

Condi Rice is an Oil woman. The whole cabinet are oil people. So they are shrewd negotiators. You got oil in your country, the current policy is deal with US and US businesses, or get an army boot up your butt.

I recommend this BBC video to watch. It explains everything from a 50 year perspective on what is going on. It doesn't matter who the president is or will be when it comes to foreign policy.

BBC's Why We Fight - Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

Part 6

Part 7

Part 8

Part 9

Part 10

Part 11



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Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: pb1000 (83.70.207.---)
Date: July 20, 2008 10:04AM


That BBC programme is the usual BBC left wing string of nonsense, no logical case made for any claim.

Such as conspiracy theories like "the USA went to war because of the Military industrial Complex","it was to steal the oil","it was to bring more oil on to the market" etc etc ad nauseum.

Bush and Rumsfeld won the argument on going to war: they got to invade Iraq with full support of USA and United Nations. That argument is long over but the left and Obama are still arguing it.

They argue but meanwhile the war has been quietly won. Saddam is gone, secular democracy installed,troops on the way home.

If Saddam had had the sense to respectfully STFU after 9/11 he would still be in power. Instead an angered USA kicked the most convenient dog.

Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: yorktown (Moderator)
Date: July 20, 2008 09:18PM

pb1000:

No argument Sadaam was an idiot. The whole world agrees there.

It is extremely easy to pick on this administration. Its easier to rip it apart with logic.

But the US has changed both the world and its image to the world in the last 7 years.

AS for the war. US citizens and the world believed that they were told. They said "go in." When nothing was found, someone should have been held accountable. We found out the war was a lie, and afterwards we didn't fire the guy responsible. So, when Bush was re-elected in 2004, it convinced me that all of us in the USA are equally as guilty. (We all have to accept the results of the vote. That's the way we were all taught a democracy works, even though most in the gaming business voted to fire the guy).

As for US Policy, there is no argument that for the most part we now live in an oligarchy, and no longer a democracy.

Current US Policy is simple: Deal with US interests or deal with the US Army on your soil. This policy was done in 'dribs and drabs' in the past. Small third world countries. It got some attention, but didn't enflame the anger of the planet (except Vietnam).

Now the US government has *agitated* allies and foes abroad. Our image to the world is now severely tarnished. This image inlcudes our *word*, which went a long way in the past.

The government has agitated its own citizens, and certain industries within the USA. Clearly, it has gone too far. Changes in policy are necessary.

(Sounds like Atlas Shrugged?)

Some of my friends that are lawyers are taking up the fight with the US Government over many civil rights issues. They also affect foreign policy as well. They are trying to swing the pendulum back to democracy. Those guys are heroes in my book.


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Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: pb1000 (83.70.207.---)
Date: July 21, 2008 04:30AM

"US citizens and the world believed what they were told"

"war was a lie"


It was plain to anybody with a jot of sense that Iraq were a threat to nobody because of WMD. Tony Blair needed a WMD cover for parliamentary backing and Colin Powell gave it to him.

The fact is that the USA as a whole wanted to do it. I dont see why the US cannot stick with their decision and see it through, instead of resiling from it and trying to scapegoat a few.


If you want to prosecute a war well you need to be prepared to use propaganda (lies). That was the lesson of Vietnam: manage the PR properly.Bush did that well and even got reelected to successfully complete the war.He should be given credit for that.

Obama if in charge would have pulled out leaving Al Sadr/Al Qaeda running a theocratic violent mess.

Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: Mcluhan (---.tor.uniserve.ca)
Date: July 28, 2008 03:52AM

I don't want you to think that this terrific post is being ignored, so I am dropping you a line to say so. I am trying to think on how to answer you. Its difficult, because I see a different picture. We two have the two different views, and I have to take this into account. To be trite, you are an American, whereas I am an educated American. This might seem insulting to you at first, but it can be explained. This phrase came to me from the lips of a Costarican, while describing their take on a Canadian. It goes deeper. As a Canadian I have the privileged view of seeing America from the outside in, truly understanding what I see. The same view is not available to those inside the glass.

Edited to add: A Response to Webmaster



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Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: Mcluhan (---.tor.uniserve.ca)
Date: July 28, 2008 04:03AM

Suggested Reading [www.antiwar.com]

Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: Mcluhan (---.tor.uniserve.ca)
Date: July 28, 2008 06:08AM

Let's all of us reading this thread, about 10 ppl worthy on this topic, just assume for 30 seconds, that the price of oil is subject wholly to free market economic influences. An assumption we all recognize to be impure. The latest pare by an Iranian spokesman in this war of words, is that we should consider oil at $500 a barrel. (it was a threat). Now my assertion is that 'yes' his future claim will one day be a statement of fact. None of us have a crystal ball of course, but we all recognize that one day, it it will be true, this crazy statement. My question I put, is when? Game on it. Isolate the "why", pick an argument, pick a sequence of events on a time line. Game on.

Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: yorktown (Moderator)
Date: August 1, 2008 03:42AM

One of the most interesting things to watch is the automotive industry. They own stock in oil companies, and vice versa. How on earth can GM execs be happy? The higher oil goes up, the less their cars and trucks sell.

Their whole company and industry is taking a financial nosedive due to their partners in the oil business. Amazing, because these two industries worked hand-in-hand for nearly 100 years.

In this day and age, I perceive that oil at $500 per barrel will decimate to the automotive industry. Only governments will buy cars at that point.

I think the oil business found how far they can push it. They got the USA to be at the equivalent level of what europe is at (<1 Euro/liter). Push harder and they hurt themselves as the economy turns south...so less oil gets bought.



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Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: Mcluhan (---.tor.uniserve.ca)
Date: August 3, 2008 07:34AM

I'm sorry, but you have to take a step back, and recognise that you are subject to a mind set. Oil will be at $500/bl and you will live to see it.

Here are the elements in brief. The USD is losing purchasing power. We are entering a new era where the USD is no longer the center of gravity for the world economy. Its going to adjust to a new era, a time which will last about 7 years.

Since 1973 the USD was magically vaulted into place by Kissinger et al as the energy dollar - a new concept vis-a-vis T. White's theoretical 'there-is-only-ever-one dollar' concept. The new dollar- an energy dollar, underpinned an unfolding globalisation of the world economy as the value-weigh-scale (if you will). Now, this complex relationship, has lost its center. The only thing that keeps it artificially in place is the need to recognize a standard for trade, backed by the 1973 OPEC treaty ( trade in USD).

The USD has lost its reign of control. We are free wheeling now, and the last 7 years of mismanagement at the helm by the Decider has allowed the moorings to slip completely off.

Globally we are headed into a depression, the likes of which the world has never seen. It will be messy. Lots of people will die.

Fortunately, we here belong to an industry that will prosper.

The Big Three? Gone. A changing of the guard. Buy Honda equities. Buy Toyota. Buy Nissan.

Game on.







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Re: Obama and this latest issue
Posted by: yorktown (Moderator)
Date: August 4, 2008 05:05AM

Good points.

I can't see buying stocks of any car manufacturer stock from ANY country as a smart move.

Buying any stock right now I don't see being a wise decision. I have some friends that are normally the staunchest bulls when it comes to the economy telling me they are 'frightened' by what they currently see.

I am reading a book called 'The Coming Dollar Crisis' by Richard Duncan. Although it was written in 2004, he predicted today's economy and tomorrow's as well. He predicted the dollar crisis taking place right 'after the mortgage crisis begins.' He said the USA has followed a model Japan had in the 1980's and 1990's that led to the crisis of the Yen. Bottom line: its a good book and I recommend it.

The point I was trying to make about the book is just how bad things are going to get.

He called the American recession of 1982 a 'U' shaped recession. That is, things got bad, didn't really stay bad for a long time, then began climbing back up. The recessions of 1991 and 2000 were described as a 'V' shaped recession, where the economy tanked....then bounced right back. Most people really didn't feel those two.

The scary part is the predictions for this one:

Its not predicted to be a 'V' shape......

Its not predicted to be a 'U' shape......

Its predicted to be an 'L' shape......

That is. Things will get bad....fast...and STAY that way for a while. He predicts about 3 years of hard times at the bottom of the L.

Economics are changing. With basic necessities (such as food and fuel) rising, this will put pressure on industries that require disposable income (travel, movies, music, leisure). Even the online casino industry can not be immune to this. Our industry needs disposable capital.

He also said the US will get out of this 'L' shaped depression/recession by borrowing more money. Astounding, because that is the problem that got the country into trouble in the first place. But he said that the US has one more 'shot' at getting onto its feet. If the USA messes their economy up again after this one, then that's it. Lights out.

He also talks about Europe. He sees the world economy changing. But he also sees that the wave of a strong US recession/depression will hit Europe and Asia. He predicts both will be affected as well, with a latent hit of 6-18 months.

One thing he was certainly clear about: The US Dollar is not a good investment in today's economy. In my travels overseas I created Euro and GBP accounts. I moved US capital into those accounts to preserve my equity. It was not for the sake of profit, just keep what I have at the same value.

I opened a small bank account in the USA the other day. I looked at what the FDIC sign says at the bankers desk. "$100,000 - Backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government." Those words meant alot when I was young, and both my Grandfather and my Father taught me about banking. I remember the words "Rock solid." Now, how far does "full faith and credit" go?

In today's economy, cash is king, but not US Dollars. This brings me back to the original point about the next President. The USA is in such a mess, it doesn't matter who the next president is. We are in for a very rough ride.






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